Sure Obama is an African-American, but is he a US citizen, and is he a "natural born citizen"?
Sure Obama is an African-American, but is he a US citizen, and is he a "natural born citizen"? Obama may be an African, not just an African-American. His mom was an American and whoever his Dad was was either African or African-American so Obama sure is an African-American. Is Obama an African? Obama reasonably claims that his Dad was Barack Obama, Sr. of Kenya. If that is so he would also be African. Just as a child of an American born abroad is an American. Why is Obama's claim of who his Dad reasonable? Because that is what official divorce documents say. That is what his mom and grandparents -- and maybe even Barack Sr. told him. Yet the mom was a sexual libertine born to parents whom themselves are rumored to have been sexual libertines. It may be that the father is someone else. Perhaps Frank Davis, the bisexual marxist author of "Black Sex Rebel." At his mom's suggestion Obama went to be mentored by Frank Davis while Obama was in high school. There's some suggestion that Davis may be Obama's father because of similar ear lobe structure, that structure seems also to suggest Barack Obama Sr. from being the father, since the ear structures are so different. (There's also rumors that Malcolm X is Obama's Dad, and their facial structure is similar but there's no evidence of any proximity at all between Obama'a mom and Malcolm X.) There's no question as to who him mom is though. So Obama is an American, and maybe African. Even if his Dad were Davis (or Malcolm X, or some unknown Cuban -- which is an even less substantial rumor) Obama would still be considered African-American. Is Obama a US citizen? At this time you do not have to produce a birth certificate to be President. Obama is the proof. He did not. A President should have to show beyond any reasonable doubt that he is a "natural born citizen" because the Constitution requires it, but NO OFFICIAL IN AUTHORITY has asked for that proof. And despite that Obama's mom was a US citizen, it may be that he is not. Why? Three ways. One is that the US statute law in effect at his birth had a requirement that to gain US citizenship the US citizen parent had to live a certain number of years in the US after being 18. Obama's mom did not -- she traveled and lived abroad. It's an arguable circumstance, but it seems to me based on the law as I have seen it makes Obama not a citizen. The second is that Obama lost his US citizenship when he was adopted by Mr. Soetoro, Obama's step-dad. Indonesian law requires that the adoptee give up any other citizenship. I've seen arguments that say the US does not recognize such loss of citizenship by a minor, as long as the minor at 18 swears a statement that he or she desires to keep their US citizenship. Anyone ever see Obama's sworn statement to that effect? The third relates to how Obama traveled to Pakistan when he was 21 or so. There's rumors that he claimed Indonesian citizenship and traveled under Indonesian passport, and even that he was enrolled at Occidental or Colombia Colleges as a foreign exchange student. Such an endorsement of Indonesian citizenship after he was an adult would mean he relinquished any claim to US birth Citizenship. He would then have to be naturalized and could never serve as President legitimately. Sure Obama is an African-American, but is he a US citizen, and is he a "natural born citizen"? Apologies for a couple of typos. "who him"! should be "who his" and probably others. Nothing to do with Hawaii, when it became a state, that's silly to suggest that's what I asked too. All residents of the territory of Hawaii had the status of citizens, date of statehood does not matter at all. And no, Obama has never provided an official birth certificate to any official in authority to rule on the matter. Elected officials such as Obama are exempt from filling out the security clearance forms. FWIW, I've filled out such forms on a number of occasions over the past 30+ years and have gone through an inordinate number of exhaustive background checks.
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Obama is biracial and Hawaii is a state in America.
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President Obama is a natural born citizen. He was born in Hawaii.
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I have a copy of his Hawaiian birth certificate. yahoo answers won't allow attachments but if you send me your real email address, I'll be happy to send you a copy
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Yes, he is an american citizen born in Hawaii. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
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HUH??? Ummm.. African Americans ARE 'natural born citizens'.... I don't understand the PURPOSE of this question.
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Yes. Hint: the election and the campaign are over. Do you have a solution for the Bush Depression? If not, go away.
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Grandma says she was present when he was born..... NOT in Hawaii. His white-trash mom was "married" to a Kenyan man, and therefore HAD to be living in the USA for 14 years in order for her to pass on Citizenship to her child. Due to her overseas living.... she had to be NINETEEN in order for her son to be considered a "natural" citizen. She had Obama when she was EIGHTEEN. ANY WAY you come at this.... he is NOT eligible to be the Pres. and THAT is why he's spent MILLIONS to seal his records!!!!
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I personally think he is, but he really should make his birth certificate open to public domain just to end any doubts.
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the Federal courts ruled that Congress has given no one the standing to bring suit on this issue -- so it isn't going to be decided. end of story
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I know. I can't believe that all of this didn't get more attention in the media than it did. I don't even think he's a citizen. He was born in Kenya.
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oh, for crissakes! when is this going to stop? he was born in HAWAII -his mother was AMERICAN - SO IS HE
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The World may never Know. SFC US Army Retired
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First of all, President Obama did indeed produce a birth certificate and it was printed in the New York Times. Why oh why are people still trying to make this an issue? As for the rest of your post- yawn......... zzzzzz.
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It is hard to believe anyone could really consider the information you have included as "facts." America, the greatest country in the world, is a Republic. If you really don't like Obama (which is obvious), why don't you put all your effort into fixing the Republican party. Volunteer locally, hand out flyers...whatever. But everytime people read the garbage you are trying to peddle, it just drives away the people you are trying to convince. The only ones who will agree with you are other far right wing nuts. I hope your will see the error of your ways. You are harming your cause more than helping it.
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Dr Orly, is that you??
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1. All this was gone over during the campaign with a microscope. 2. He did produce a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii. People who want to claim he is not a citizen simply deny it's validity, in spite of the statement of Hawaii state officials. 3. The term "natural born" has never been defined by law. It may have originally meant born on the land which is a part of America, in which case, he qualifies. It may simply mean born to an American citizen, wherever that citizen is. For instance, John McCain was born in Panama. What you are wanting is to have it defined as born to two citizens, which has never been done. 4. That's enough from me, except to say that if you want all your questions answered, go to snopes.com.
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He was in Congress so off course he was born in the United States. Not anyone can hold those positions. If you guys paid attention in U.S. Government in HS, maybe these type of questions would not be posted
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Well said - but many will not listen to reason or even try to understand the actual legal discrepancies. It is really very simple to understand - yet they make a choice to ignore it. I guess the American election of a President is more in line with American Idol results rather than the Constitution.
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Until I see actualy proof otherwise, I do not consider B. Hussein Obama a natural citizen of the US. He refuses to show anyone his birth certificate, which only adds to the speculation that he has something to hide. Why else would he not make it available? Every past president had no problem with this very small request, yet B. Hussien Obama feels he does not have to follow the rules every president before him have adhered to. How do we actually know he was born in Hawaii? Because the governor says so? Really? Isnt he a democrat as well? Why would he say otherwise? He needs to look at what is best for his state, and government monies would be reduced to a trickle if he said anything other than Obama was born in Hawaii. Make sense? It's crystal clear to me. The problem is those in Washington now dont have the cajones to call him on it and force him to show the document. Show it, get it over with and those of us who think he is not a natural citizen will either be proven wrong and shut up or say told you so. Either way, something needs to be done or we will all look like fools in 15 years and he reveals in his memiors he wasn't actually a citizen!!
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The argument is that he was born in Hawaii before it became a State in 1959. However, it was a legal territory of the United States since 1900. His mother was an American Citizen and he was born in an American Protectorate (Hawaii), so he is an American, period.
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he was born in kenya,grandparent even said so.why else dose this fraud of a man not show his birth certificate.he just did the crime of the century.
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You are wrong on so many levels in so many ways that all I can say is: If you don't stop, someone is going to report you to the SPCA.... FOR BEATING A DEAD HORSE.
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can't believe the answers on here. some ppl are so stupid it's frightening. Obama is NOT a natural born citizen. he has NOT ever shown a birth certificate. he gave up his citizenship when he went to Indonesia. he went to college under foreign assistance. what? you think we sit around and make this stuff up. all we want is an official ruling, that's it. what's to argue.
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Now that the suit has the ultimate power of being prez, this issue will probably never be resolved, as the army of high dollar lawyers and liberal democrat judges counter every lawsuit presented so far. 0's also privately met (threatened?) the supremes, and subsequently the cases are all thrown out. http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=86863 But they still continue, as the people deserve to know if there's a foreign usurper in the highest office in the world. And as bad a socialistic program as 0's currently passing, can you even pretend to imagine how fxcked up the US would be with Joe the gaffe machine Biden as prez?? But the issue will never go away, koolaid drinkers, because da man won't show the simple document required to end all this swirling mass of BS. Why not? A 'real' birth certificate shows several things missing on that 'Hawaii birth certificate', like the doctor's name, the hospital, the city and state of the hospital, etc. You have your own birth certificate, compare the two, see what's missing off 0's 'document'. (a REAL one: http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/HawaiinBirthCertificate.jpg ) And what a waste of space 'snopes' BS is on the issue, http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=91196 they are drinkers themselves, and the useless judges that are 'accepting' the blogs, 'twitters' and such BS as 'proof' the issue is resolved. http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=92149 Some liberal congressmen have said he's 'eligible' because he got elected!! What BS!! Under lock and key in Hawaii is the document he should have produced like McCain had to, but 0' didn't. And the media gave him the pass. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88566
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Heard he was only 7% african american!! and the rest white, and arab, and as far as knowing his birthplace, we may never know!! Ask george soros, he bought and paid for "O"
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I honestly can't say whether or not he's a USA born citizen, because I've never seen the proof. A lot of folks tell me he's shown his birth certificate, but when I search their sources, (i.e. NY Times, snopes.com,...), I've never found it and they've never provided a direct link that I know of. Anyway, it would be very easy for Obama to make this document public and silence his jesters if in fact he has a US birth certificate. It's been such a silly controversy, I think if it really had been shown to us, there'd be copies of it everywhere.
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